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	<title>Comments on: A Popular but Problematic Learning Rule: &#8220;Backpropogration of Error&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Neurevolution &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Brief Introduction to Reinforcement Learning</title>
		<link>http://www.neurevolution.net/2007/04/05/a-popular-but-problematic-learning-rule-backpropogration-of-error/#comment-13788</link>
		<dc:creator>Neurevolution &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Brief Introduction to Reinforcement Learning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In earlier posts, we outlined two computational models of learning hypothesized to occur in various parts of the brain, i.e., Hebbian-like LTP (here and here) and error-correction learning (here and here). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] In earlier posts, we outlined two computational models of learning hypothesized to occur in various parts of the brain, i.e., Hebbian-like LTP (here and here) and error-correction learning (here and here). [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Neurevolution &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Combining Simple Recurrent Networks and Eye-Movements to study Language Processing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neurevolution &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Combining Simple Recurrent Networks and Eye-Movements to study Language Processing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dr. Reilly implemented was in the form of a Simple Recurrent Network (SRN). As discussed briefly in an earlier post on backpropogation of error, SRNs have the ability to derive grammatical categories by simply being trained to predict the next [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Dr. Reilly implemented was in the form of a Simple Recurrent Network (SRN). As discussed briefly in an earlier post on backpropogation of error, SRNs have the ability to derive grammatical categories by simply being trained to predict the next [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Herd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Herd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 09:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good post, summarizing the field's general take on backpropagation.

You should look at the generalized recirculation algorithm, GeneRec, in O'Reilly and Munakata's 2000 textbook.  It essentially performs backprop, using only information local to each synapse.  It gets information about error to each synapse by allowing the network to settle into a state constituting a "guess" as to the outcome, followed by a separate state that involves the correct output.  Feedback and lateral connections ensure that the whole net is in a different state when correct output information is present.  The learning rule then pushes weights toward the correct state, and away from the guess state.  The learning rule at local synapses is very similar to the experimentally observed role of calcium influx at each synapse.  Also, the algorithm seems to continue to work with very asymmetric connections, and would likely work without reciprocal connections between every individual unit.

This approach seems to solve the biological plausibility side of the error-driven learning puzzle.  The remaining question, and one that must be answered by most forms of learning rule is this: where does the correct output information come from?  I don't think that anyone has fully thought through what information people actually use to learn from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good post, summarizing the field&#8217;s general take on backpropagation.</p>
<p>You should look at the generalized recirculation algorithm, GeneRec, in O&#8217;Reilly and Munakata&#8217;s 2000 textbook.  It essentially performs backprop, using only information local to each synapse.  It gets information about error to each synapse by allowing the network to settle into a state constituting a &#8220;guess&#8221; as to the outcome, followed by a separate state that involves the correct output.  Feedback and lateral connections ensure that the whole net is in a different state when correct output information is present.  The learning rule then pushes weights toward the correct state, and away from the guess state.  The learning rule at local synapses is very similar to the experimentally observed role of calcium influx at each synapse.  Also, the algorithm seems to continue to work with very asymmetric connections, and would likely work without reciprocal connections between every individual unit.</p>
<p>This approach seems to solve the biological plausibility side of the error-driven learning puzzle.  The remaining question, and one that must be answered by most forms of learning rule is this: where does the correct output information come from?  I don&#8217;t think that anyone has fully thought through what information people actually use to learn from.</p>
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		<title>By: P.L.</title>
		<link>http://www.neurevolution.net/2007/04/05/a-popular-but-problematic-learning-rule-backpropogration-of-error/#comment-1349</link>
		<dc:creator>P.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 17:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stefano,

Although I cannot remember the reference I had seen a few years ago, I was able to find an article in the "Proceedings of the International Computer Music Association".   The reference is:

Gang, D.,  Lehmann, D. (1998) "Tuning a Neural Network for Harmonizing Melodies in Real-Time". Proceedings of the International Computer Music Association. 

Try http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/gang98tuning.html for the text.  The article describes the recurrent neural network and how it was trained.

I'm fairly sure the paper I had originally seen was in a journal in 2000 or so... if I run across it I will let you know.

-PL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stefano,</p>
<p>Although I cannot remember the reference I had seen a few years ago, I was able to find an article in the &#8220;Proceedings of the International Computer Music Association&#8221;.   The reference is:</p>
<p>Gang, D.,  Lehmann, D. (1998) &#8220;Tuning a Neural Network for Harmonizing Melodies in Real-Time&#8221;. Proceedings of the International Computer Music Association. </p>
<p>Try <a href="http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/gang98tuning.html" rel="nofollow">http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/gang98tuning.html</a> for the text.  The article describes the recurrent neural network and how it was trained.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m fairly sure the paper I had originally seen was in a journal in 2000 or so&#8230; if I run across it I will let you know.</p>
<p>-PL</p>
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		<title>By: stefano</title>
		<link>http://www.neurevolution.net/2007/04/05/a-popular-but-problematic-learning-rule-backpropogration-of-error/#comment-1347</link>
		<dc:creator>stefano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi,

can you give me a reference for your following claim?

«and even learning to play harmonic second voices in real-time.»

it would interest me.

thank you,
stefano</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi,</p>
<p>can you give me a reference for your following claim?</p>
<p>«and even learning to play harmonic second voices in real-time.»</p>
<p>it would interest me.</p>
<p>thank you,<br />
stefano</p>
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